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Post by Andrew on Dec 3, 2016 16:31:59 GMT
Chaps, I'd like to just take a second to remind everyone about the importance of driving standards. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular (and I'm the first to admit I like to race on the aggressive side of the line) however there have been occasions where drivers either aren't giving racing room or not stopping to wait for people they've knocked in to and caused a crash. Now the BTCC season is, I'm sure you'll agree, going really well and is great fun so far. That said watching the replays has highlighted the need for all drivers to use their mirrors and if in doubt give room to other drivers. If there's an incident, just ask on TS if you caused it and does the other driver want you to wait. We are lucky that we've not had a single penalty issued in the whole time we've been going and it would be great to keep it that way. Imagine the stigma of being the first person to get one  Any comments, as always, are welcome  |
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Post by brucey on Dec 5, 2016 15:44:47 GMT
"I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular"
Now I'm paranoid it's me! However, I don't think I was able to hit anyone driving around at the back!
Even in the reverse grid races I try and let the faster drivers through which they usually do 'cleanly'.
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Post by Andrew on Dec 5, 2016 19:20:11 GMT
Brucey, no it's a reminder to everyone. We tread a fine line between clean racing and racing to win. Watching the replays back recently has highlighted that we can all do our best to use our mirrors to give racing room and if we're involved in a crash, at least ask over TS if we should wait. We have a superb league going and the admins simply want to ensure the right balance continues to be struck |
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Post by scoops on Dec 5, 2016 19:20:34 GMT
I wasn't around so can't comment on what did or didn't happen but I think Andrews comments should resonate with everyone as I think we have all been guilty of letting our standards slip a little from time to time. I have been clipped causing me to spin and had no one wait for me and I'm sure I have carried on after more than one contact and wait for a call to stop rather than stopping and waiting for the other driver as per the rules.
My personal view is that we have created a taboo in that no penalties have been called for so no one will.
I also think that if you feel you are a slower driver in an incident it has become almost custom and practice to call out for the quicker driver to carry on as you don't want to get in the way and you would have been passed anyway.
I'm not saying these happen all the time or that faster drivers don't stop but it think our practice has moved away from what our rules say and we probably need a reset.
I don't think there has been any intent by anyone just a gradual evolution in our performance.
Just my personal thoughts
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Post by Andrew on Dec 5, 2016 19:29:03 GMT
Simon, on the whole I would agree with you. We have been racing together for a long time now and I think people calling for others to carry on is just people erring on the side of being gentlemanly. For the absence of doubt the rules state:
So, if you have been involved in a crash, there shouldn't be any bad feeling calling for someone to wait as these are the rules we play by.
In addition:
So it's down to both parties to give room using their mirrors and hopefully avoid a crash in the first place.
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Post by Si on Dec 6, 2016 8:28:37 GMT
Now I'm paranoid it's me! I was thinking the same and I wasn't even on last week  Generally I try and approach it dependent on what vehicles we are driving. With the historic F2 cars, Group C and open wheelers, I would be very careful. If I was going for a pass, or being passed my main goal was for all drivers to remain on track. However, with tin tops (BTCC, Clios, Minis, etc) I would find it acceptable for a bit of paint swapping during a pass. My opinion (not a defined rule this), is that it's the car that's trying the pass to make sure it works. The car being passed, at some point, will need to make sure there is racing room. I say 'at some point' as generally with tin tops you are defending harder, so I wouldn't expect drivers to be leaving an open door into every corner. We are all gradually improving in our laptimes too. So that removes more opportunities to pass. |
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Post by brucey on Dec 6, 2016 10:30:16 GMT
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Post by cageyh on Dec 7, 2016 7:49:05 GMT
I have been guilty of going for small gaps - which probably were not there.
Last week I went for a gap on the inside of John, which was closing the further I went through it. We made contact, and both span.
Looking at the replay, I would probably put most of the blame on me. John was on his usual line.
The "gentlemen racer" seems to be slipping a bit, hence the reminder.
I will always wait, or slow down until I am passed by the driver I had an incident with, even if told to carry on.
It's in the rules, as the idea of it is to maintain a high standard of driving.
It's only a bit of fun...
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Post by john7 on Dec 7, 2016 20:13:00 GMT
Cagey, if I remember the incident correctly.......you did wait for me . I sometimes assume I'm on a racing line entering the corner/bend, if another driver is trying to pass me on the inside I would like to think I have held the line, however sometimes I think, hmmmmmmm did I leave sufficient room. Using a single monitor does limit your view but I would have no objection to the other driver informing me of my action if an incident had occurred that I was unaware of. |
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Post by Andrew on Jul 6, 2019 19:41:41 GMT
Gents,
last night I got punted off at the start of Race 3 and this prematurely ended my race. I don't want to make too big a deal of this but I wasn't the only person disadvantaged last night without the person causing it not offering to wait. I'm sure we'll all agree we tread a fine line between hard racing and ruining someone's evening.
We really do want to keep things as relaxed as possible, but can I please remind people that if there's contact causing an incident, just ask whether you caused it and should you wait. We don't have many rules but arguably this is the most important one.
Thank you.
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